and his point is there needs to be an education process -- >> i don't pre-judge the choices people make, right? you can make the decision that you want universal health care. >> you need to know -- >> here's what it looks like, what it costs, and obviously the discussion we never have is the opportunity cost, as well. and something that economics -- >> and i asked steny hoyer that question for a reason, you know how the house works. and rick, i'll say this to you, you can tell those guys in the house until you're blue in the face that i won the election and i made it about higher taxes and that still doesn't mean they have to -- you need those guys to pass the law, right? >> that's right. that's right. >> they got elected too. >> the saddest part. the saddest part is that people as smart as the people around that table up there would think that they're going to get the answer of what's truly best for the long-term health of this country by polling. that's why we're not really a democracy -- democratic republic, we're a republic! >> once again, if you -- >> do you want to get hit on the